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General Ceel	DEBATE TOPIC: Force Users in Neutral Factions	Lead	[-]
Posts: 108670 (01/28/09 1:05) TGC Owner Jedi Master 1138 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None By request, a debate topic on the issue of Force users in neutral factions. At TGC there has been a long standing rule preventing force users from joining force factions. The reason for this rule is that prior to its existence nearly every character in the galaxy was a force user. "The Rebel Alliance" was populated almost totally by force users at various points, and even squadron factions such as Spectrum Squadron, Rogue Squadron and Rainbow Squardron had a similar problem. This also carried over to imperial factions and crime based factions. The Debate Topic: Should this rule remain in place?
Ellirumicha		#1	[-]
Posts: 77 (01/28/09 1:08) Captain Chiss Adept Imperial Navy More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think that the rule should remain, but that the number be increased a little bit. Keep a restriction on it, but all more then one per a faction.
Jessan Solo		#2	[-]
Posts: 5513 (01/28/09 1:12) Sith Master Visionary To Cinders! More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I wouldnt mind it happening, as we've seen in the Movies and some of the more reputable EU stuff that the Rebels, the Empire and what not had force users. But I still see the problem of overpopulation as an ellusive threat.
Alto Santori		#3	[-]
Posts: 265 (01/28/09 1:15) Rebel Adept The Sniper More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think it should remain in place. When I created this neut I made it simply because I was tired of playing an FU and wanted to get away from the force. Now I knew, at one point, I would have to RP with force users again at some point but for the most part I just wanted to get a taste of NFU roleplay. Yeah a force user cane come to a neut faction and while it IS possible for a NFU to go to a FU faction, it would just not be very fun for the NFU. ( There are exceptions to this case, so dont come in here going "Oh I have fun as an NFU on a FU faction!" Shut up no one wants to hear you. ) My point being, I think we should keep it NFUvsNFU and FUvsFU. It is more fun that way, that's how its been, change sucks.
Aidan Crow		#4	[-]
Posts: 948 (01/28/09 1:22) Jedi Master Ace Pilot Military Retired More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Perhaps there should be a limitation. No more than 30% of a NFU faction should be FUs, and Vice verse. I always wanted to make a non-force user for the Sith or Jedi. Perhaps as a soldier or a diplomat.
Alto Santori		#5	[-]
Posts: 267 (01/28/09 1:23) Rebel Adept The Sniper More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I say maybe one FU in a NFU faction is more than enough.
Emryc		#6	[-]
Posts: 3098 (01/28/09 1:27) The Dreamking Humanity's Mirror Forever in Shadows More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It should stay in place.
Esme Marzullo		#7	[-]
Posts: 4041 (01/28/09 1:28) Faithful One Atra Angelus Jedi Padawan More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think the problem with one FU is that it tends to get handed out the favorites sometimes. No offense to Cornelo, but I know I had been bugging TGE leadership about their FU spot shortly after Velori left. Then I find out weeks later that Cornelo was being trained for the spot and I was never told about someone else getting it when I as asking after the spot. I think maybe three might allow some of those that desire the spot to get a chance at it.
Raine Marzullo		#8	[-]
Posts: 3574 (01/28/09 1:29) Sith Master Ambivalent One Governor of Ziost TGC Bronze Supporter More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think it should remain as well, atleast until the Neutral factions become more active with just that, neutrals.
Admiral Disra		#9	[-]
Posts: 1075 (01/28/09 1:42) Imperial Executor Elite More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	TGE has recently had a discussion in it's private forums about this issue. I will copy and paste two strong points made by a member of TGE, Michael Matale: I'd really like to see one of either two things: A) A limit on the size and power of the force faction's (TJC, TSC) fleets so that they more adequately represent the strengths of those factions. Given how the fleet factions (TGE, TR, TGU) are not allowed force users, and their strength is fleet and military, force users should stick to what they are good at: force powers and lightsabers. or B) If the force factions are allowed to continue holding massive fleets, then the Empire and the other fleet factions should be allowed the use of the force. But, Jaedis had an excellent idea in another thread. Rather than the Imperial force users being all cultish and religious (flowing robes and temples), they would use their force powers in a militaristic way, arming their shock troops with not only weapons and armor, but the force. The force would be fashioned into a weapon of war to be used by troops on the frontlines, which is something the Empire would do anyways (Think personal powers like those in the movie the Matrix: using the force to enhance personal speed and reflexes, strength, endurance, etc.) The problem, it seems, is that Neutral factions have fleets and armies to make them unique. When you look at a faction like TSC, you have a bunch of Sith Masters with Super Star Destroyers. It seems unbalanced. (I mean, TGE even doesn't use SSDs. Just your run of the mil Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters, and Stormtroopers) If TGE was allowed a sort of militaristic force using tradition, allow the Royal Guard to be force sensitive, or even an 'Emperor's Hand' sort of group then this would balance things out a little bit. Hell. Even have it to where leadership at TGU, TGE, and TR personally make sure the number of force users stay to an absolute minimum. Perhaps have a discussion in their staff forums on deciding on giving each potential member a force sensitive slot. I'm just tossing some ideas up, but it would be nice to have the freedom and allow some force sensitives in the neutral factions.
Raine Marzullo		#10	[-]
Posts: 3575 (01/28/09 1:46) Sith Master Ambivalent One Governor of Ziost TGC Bronze Supporter More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Though it brings up Esme's point; instead of allowing person/s who were interested and insisted beforehand the opportunity, it was just given to someone else just based on whose good buddies with who. Can you honestly say it would be fair?
Corellia Jagarn		#11	[-]
Posts: 43 (01/28/09 1:51) Starfighter Pilot Rebel Trainee Firebrand More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Count me down in the "No Force Users in Non-Force Factions" column. I don't like the idea either of allowing a specific number of Force Users. Not fair.
Admiral Disra		#12	[-]
Posts: 1076 (01/28/09 1:55) Imperial Executor Elite More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I was never made aware of Esme's request to being TGE's FU. None of TGE's leadership brought it up. It was a toss up between Cornelo and Ayreon. Obviously Cornelo won. He had been with TGE since it's first takeover of Yavin IV. I can honestly say a neutral faction's leadership is responsible enough to make sure the FU population doesn't excede 30% or so. If not. No big deal. There can be some other system worked out.
RC 9051 Nomad		#13	[-]
Posts: 2392 (01/28/09 1:58) Elite Clone Commando Mand'alor TGC Bronze Supporter More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I personally would like to see a minimal use of FU's in NFU's, just to add variety, but in a way where they aren't Jedi with robes and lightsabers. They have the Force, but they use a blaster.
Corellia Jagarn		#14	[-]
Posts: 46 (01/28/09 2:00) Starfighter Pilot Rebel Trainee Firebrand More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In that case, why couldn't you just play a Jedi who roleplays a lot with the Rebels? (Or a Sith with the Empire, on the opposite side.)
General Ceel		#15	[-]
Posts: 108690 (01/28/09 2:04) TGC Owner Jedi Master 1138 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I fail to see the point of limiting the fleets of Force factions. 1) TGC has no fleet system 2) There is no disadvantage in not having the force. We have a three rank system at TGC. Neutral ranks are equal to their related force ranks.
RC 9051 Nomad		#16	[-]
Posts: 2393 (01/28/09 2:05) Elite Clone Commando Mand'alor TGC Bronze Supporter More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Cause then people complain they aren't acting Jedi like by taking sides, and the Sith would just try and takeover the Empire (yes, there have been several arguments about those topics in the past year). I personally wouldn't mind seeing a Nuet character that has the basic of Force powers (barely can push and pull), while wielding a blaster. He wouldn't be a Jedi or a Sith, just a soldier that has a knack of knowing when bad things are going to happen
General Ceel		#17	[-]
Posts: 108692 (01/28/09 2:07) TGC Owner Jedi Master 1138 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	^ but it wouldn't stop there.
Corellia Jagarn		#18	[-]
Posts: 48 (01/28/09 2:12) Starfighter Pilot Rebel Trainee Firebrand More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Cause then people complain they aren't acting Jedi like by taking sides Why would they complain? (and who cares if they do?) Jedi take sides in the movies. Look at that Skywalker guy It didn't make him any less of a Jedi.
Admiral Disra		#19	[-]
Posts: 1079 (01/28/09 2:14) Imperial Executor Elite More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It could. TGE is -very- strict on it's members about RPing to their ability. I mean VERY strict. I know I am not afraid to pull aside a member, PM them, and tell them that they are taking it things too far. I also know Dorlas, Ayreon, and Xyra aren't afraid to either. So should be the responsibility of all the factions on their members. I mean, I do recall seeing a certain TR trainee claim to single handedly take out 50 stormtroopers >.> wielding two rifles at the same time . 2) There is no disadvantage in not having the force. We have a three rank system at TGC. Neutral ranks are equal to their related force ranks. and I mean, really? Disra standing toe to toe with someone like Lady Silencia or Jessan Solo? Disra's 'elite' skill is with command of his naval assets.
General Ceel		#20	[-]
Posts: 108693 (01/28/09 2:15) TGC Owner Jedi Master 1138 More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you can't compete its your lack of imagination Disra. The law at TGC says you are equal.

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